Can you even keep up WATCHING this?

Much less play at this level of speed.  Sometimes we just have to realize that there are a lot of people who are just better than you, and it has nothing to do with lag comp, hit detection, or auto aim.  They are just freaking fast!



I just don't know how you counter a QS'er that can do this.

Wow.. now those people are the ones that piss me off the most lol . But he did awesome though.. guess I can give him some credit lol

Yeah, Faze Kross is the shit.  I know quickscopers are annoying as hell but it to me its truely amazing the accuracy and ability to snap on a target so fast. zzirGrizz is another amazing sniper, if not the grandfather of quickscoping.  I've seen him throw a C4 at someone then quick scope the C4 in mid air for a final kill. 

Crazyness.  I love it!

bluehound000 wrote:

I just don't know how you counter a QS'er that can do this.

I do.  You play more Battlefield 3.  Or BO1.  

Fucking QS'ing needs to be fixed.  Once you get used to the higher sensitivity and get the timing of when hip fire switches to ADS accuracy with the snipers... almost anyone can learn to do it... it's overpowered... it's broke.

Despite popular opinion, QS'ing ain't easy.  It looks really easy because these guys are great.  I watch Kross, Grizz, Pamaaj and guys like that and it is pretty amazing stuff.  Those guys are just truly great snipers and not 1 trick quickscopers.  But I freaking hate playing against decent snipers them because there really is no counter to it when they have on toughness and are using tac inserts.  You can dial them in and get 3 bullets on target then BLAM get dead.  I thought sniping was just about right in Black Ops 1, but if they would just remove tac inserts it would make games a little more tolerable because those guys will die but it is brutal that they just pop up a couple meters away.

QS'ing isn't "easy" but if you're a "decent" player... you can get damn good at it.  It just takes practice, muscle memory  and (VERY IMPORTANT) a good connection.  I think people underestimate how important connection is.  Now i'm by no means a QS'er... but when i was trying for a little with it... i was pretty good... taking a little more practice I could see getting to that "leet level". 

Sad thing is it ruins the game.  Snipers and C4 are too powerful in BO2.  I'd LOVE to see a super long ADS time on the snipers... hell, make it a full f'n second and a half.  Maybe then we'll have people actually providing overwatch and covering their team with snipers instead of running around like they're shotguns.

Gun, I don't get QS'ed in Battlefield, but i have just as many, or more BS moments than COD.

But play COD on Fri or Sat evenings and 50% of the lobbies are ALL QS'ers which will be the most frustrating games that you can play.  Most of the time they aren't this good, so we win the game, but it wears you out.

If anything takes down COD its going to be this QS'ing.  Running across 1 or 2 in a game was somewhat tolerable and manageable and didn't really change the tone of gameplay. But when entire teams in a lobby do it, the balance of the game changes and it changes the way the games are played.  And they aren't being played as the game was designed to be played.

For those who've played Gears of War mulitplayer know, there is no such thing as firing from cover in Gears multiplayer lobbies(like the game was designed to be played), its all shotguns, up and close and rolling...rolling...rolling.  It ruins the multiplayer experience, there is no other weapon that is even worth equipping, if you can't do the "shotgun and roll thing" then you might as well not play the game...which I don't.  The growing popularity of this QS'ing play-style is going to turn COD into the same thing.  Unfortunately the growing popularity is going to be exactly why they WILL NOT change the QS'ing.  Its now become a popular playstyle and the "normal way to snipe"(I've actually gotten hate mail for hardscoping), and to remove it now would cause too much of an uproar...I could be wrong but I don' think I am.

Yeah BF3 on current gen is BARELY able to run lol (BF4 next gen will finally be "Real BF" 60fps and 64 people!!)  There are mad issues... but unbalanced gameplay is def NOT one of them.  Every gun in that game is balenced so well... there are no crazy OP weapons, QS'ing, all vehicles have weaknesses etc.  Hell, you have to even think about recoil control... squeeze and hold the trigger on any gun and it's all the fuck over the place.  Just more skill required.

That's why ill be sticking to BF and other shooters.  COD is just about dead unless Ghosts and the following 3Arc title fixes the QS and connection issues.

Cool sniping footage and tips/tactics for sniping in BF 


Sorry, haha threadjack-derail over... continue...

#FQS'R 

The only real counter for those douche pickles is a Tac-45...  At least it's more fun to kill them at long range with a Tac-45.  As for C4, I love it it's as close as i'm going to get to getting a nuke.  Plus I think some of you have been games where i've yelled "Get quickscoped by at battle axe, MOTHER F*CKER!!!"

Grizz is no joke.

Diff between COD and BF3 - the COD video was 30 kills in 2:15 and the BF3 video had about 20 kills in 10 minutes - sums up the differences between the two games beautifully .

Gun - we know how much you hate CoD - that doesn't mean that EVERYTHING in it is broken. Being a really GOOD QS'er requires a LOT of practice. I have a lot of respect for those guys - like Kross that are great snipers as it's clear that he put a TON of time/practice into getting good.

I have a 2nd account that I use just for sniping b/c I think it's a ton of fun to rush around with a sniper rifle. It doesn't make for good stats - but it does make it obvious that getting good at QSing is anything but easy. #justsayin

Idk... Easy, no. With a good connection and practice, not difficult. I've effortsly QS'd at times when I found my connection was on the winning side. The fact that its this prevalent lends to it not being a very difficult thing to do. It's unbalanced.

The guy is very skilled but come on there is something very flawed with the game to allow that, they have to do something to nerf that or have a game mode with no snipping in the next one because thats just wrong. Now I know that was FFA so anything goes but it would be nice if QS'ers would just stay the fuck out the objective games, PTFO and maybe let some for less skilled play have some fun.

Smoke Grenade...Smoke Grenade..Smoke Grenade...followed up with Dual Kap-40's

The QSer's love me!

using this guy as a topic for q'scoping is not fair. This guy is the exception not the rule. Most are nowhere close to that good. Saying that I think they should take away the aim assist or whatever they have to do so that q'scoping would be nearly impossible in regular games but have lobbies to where it is there just like hard core. Core TDM, Hardcore TDM, and Quick scoping TDM. I would think with next gen they would be able to create more playlist so something like that should not be impossible. I started playing COD at the end of MW2 life cycle and this has been a topic of convo at least that long. Something like what Im suggesting should satisfy everyone. People who hate the 1'scopers don't have to deal with them but q'scopers would have a place.

^^^This. Make a sniper only playset or something. Hell, bar snipers from the main playlists and keep a full sniper subset were you dont have to use a sniper but you can. I'd be found only in the no sniper realm if they opperate the same flawed way haha.

Aren't there a handful of MLG teams or Pub clans that are COD 'promoters' on YT that are QSers?

As long as popular YTers and pro teams use it (which promotes the COD franchise), my guess is COD won't touch QSing or restrict it to a gametype.

Seems with BO2, 3arc did counter some QSing with sniper bullet trails, ghost perk requiring movement, etc. They may just counter QSing some more in future games, but I don't think it's ever going away.

They could make a sniper only playlist but they won't. Snipers really don't want to play against other snipers because their advantage is gone so they probably wouldn't play those games anyway. I truly believe that if you took away tac inserts, toughness and auto aim on sniper loadouts, they wouldn't have as big of an impact on the game. They would still annoy the hell out of you, but the majority of them will not factor in winning a match.

Then again this is just addressing the symptoms of terrible hit detection. These 2 foot misses that count as instakills is the major factor. I am not speaking about me getting killed, I am talking about me being way off target and still getting a kill. Sure, I love every time it happens FOR me it but it is still bs.

Playing against snipers don't bother me that bad. I actually have some of my best games against q'scoping teams. I don't know why, its not because Im good. Somehow my playstyle must just counteract snipers somehow.
Saying this I still think q'scoping is BS and would like it out of regular game types, but that goes along with a long list of things that I want like pistols not 1 burst killing me from the other side of the map and I could go on and on. Other than the connection issue, I do feel Qscoping is the biggest thing that a large group of people want to see fixed and they did finally come around and give us a COD without a perk that brought people back to life after we killed them so who knows.

gun fer hire wrote:

Idk... Easy, no.  With a good connection and practice, not difficult.  I've effortsly QS'd at times when I found my connection was on the winning side.  The fact that its this prevalent lends to it not being a very difficult thing to do.  It's unbalanced.

Hypocracy at it's finest!  This is coming from a guy who loves to run around with a Tac 45 and 2 shot kill ppl from 70 yards away...THAT's not broken though right?  B/c you like to do it.  With a good connection & practice there is NOTHING in this game that is difficult.

QS'ing is 'prevalent' - but doing it WELL is certainly not - there are a TON of kids that try very hard to do it but fail miserably.  Mainly, b/c it's NOT easy.

If all the guys on here that are talking about how easy QS'ing is and how broken it is, would load up some vids of themselves running around doing it and ending the game with a good k/d then I'd encourage you to bring your proof forward.  The very reason you think it's broken/unfair is for the simple fact that not everyone can pick up a sniper and do it, so you feel like it gives them an unfair advantage - you can't have both sides of that argument.

It's just another facet of the game that a group of ppl have gotten REALLY good at it, and you can't do it - hence the annoyance.

The best/easiest way to counter MOST QS'ers is to rush their nuts off.  If you are a decent rusher, you can beat a QS'er 90% of the time.  The other 10% of the time, the guy is probably just better at the game than you are.

Death I agree with you on most everything you said except it is broken. There are many videos out there that prove it and I have seen it in my own theater. The bullet does not have to hit you. there is about a 2' clearance on either side of you that it will still kill you. I do agree that it takes skill to do it well and sometimes people are just better than you, but there is a problem with hit detection in BO2. Me personally I think the bullet should have to hit me to kill me. Even with that I say they can easily be beat with rushing smg classes staying tight to corners and getting behind them. If it was the most powerful way to play you would see it used more in MLG competitive gaming.

Baller - totally agree - but that is an entirely different issue - that's hit detection...and it IS broken for sure!

I'm just saying that Gun & others are talking about how easy & cheap it is but my argument is that it's not easy to do it well.  Like you said, if it was easy to do well then all the competitive guys would do it.  AND it'd be about 90% of every lobby you get into.

I'm opposite of most - I really only want to snipe against other snipers.  B/c that's the measure of how good I am at it compared to them.  

I will admit this - it's very easy to get into an objective based game and just hang out on the edge of the map picking ppl off - that is NOT what I'm talking about.  I'm talking about running around the map, capping/defending flags (as you would with any other weapon) and QS'ing or sniping and doing well - there's nothing about easy about doing that.

I like cake.

I like being a prick with a Tac-45.

That is all.

Yellow reminds me of another thing that is not easy to do, but super annoying - the hawk.

It should not be a one hit kill if it bounces off a wall and hits me on the toe - but just b/c someone is way better at hawking than I am doesn't have me crying that it's unfair.

Again, with a good connection & practice - it wouldn't be difficult.

And I forgot from my previous posts:

#FUBaller

'hawk and the damn ballistic knife take talent. I have the hawk down but I will be unvail my super asshat class tonight "Six Perk Super Prick w/Ballistic Knife"